Pilot Cutters identified

          

PHOTOS IDENTIFIED

On page 12 of the October 2004 issue of The Pilot there were two photographs for which information was sought.  Once again Harwich Haven pilot Andy Adams has provided the following fascinating and detailed information.

TheClydeLaunch:

Prior to WW2 the Clydepilots had a semi cruising cutter the Cumbrae. After 1941 they also had a proper cruising cutter, most probably the ex steam yacht Queen of Scots. In 1944 the need for the cruising cutter was reduced and she was withdrawn, being replaced by a small pilot boat the Gantock. Between 1944 and 06/1945 the Clyde pilots had the use of HMS Skylark, a small steam yacht which had been used as a barrage balloon vessel. The black caps in the photo suggest WW2 and this leads me to the view that this vessel was a replacement for Skylark. A review of the shipbuilding magazines and journals for the period would probably be the best source for further information.

TheLondonpilot cutter:

The London No.1 cutter is Pioneer. The Dungeness cruising cutters were based at Dover hence the fact that she is anchored in Dover Harbour for the purpose of coaling and storing.  purpose built steam cruising pilot cutter in Britain. She served continuously at the Dungeness station rotating with No.2 Guide also built in 1891. She was manned by 5 officers and 8 crew and had accommodation for 24 pilots.

The sailing pilot ketches No.3 Wellingtonand No.4 Vigilant were employed as tenders to the steam cutters at Dungeness.  In 1906, the introduction of two new steam cutters at Dover led to the decision to establish a steam cutter at the Shipwash station and Pioneer was transferred to Harwich and renumbered No.7.  The Guide remained at Dover as tender and Wellingtonwas sold whilst Vigilant transferred temporarily to the Isle of Wight District.

Whilst on duty at the Shipwash station the Pioneer was tendered by sailing cutters from Harwich. In 1912 the Shipwash station was closed and a single station in the North Channel established at the Sunk. Pioneer then transferred back toDover and reverted to No.1.

The Guide and Pioneer then took turns as the Dungeness tender as well as taking rotational duty for the Sunk and Dungeness stations.

With the introduction of a third new cutter in 1914 Guide was sold to Canada and Pioneer was relegated solely to tender duty at Dungeness.

1924 she was renamed Preceder to make way for a new Pioneer.

1925 Sold to Pilotage du Gironde, renamed Chevalier.

1935. Broken up

No 1: Pioneer

Official Number 98971

Length 114’ 03”

Breadth 21’ 00”

Moulded Depth 11’ 04”

Compound 2 cylinders steam reciprocating machinery by M Paul of Dumbarton 82rhp

Signal Letters MHGF

Gross Tonnage 156

Net Tonnage24

PS There was speculation from another correspondent that the Guide and Pioneer were the same vessel but had removable name boards which were swapped over when the vessel changed operating stations. Further to this Andy revisited his archives and has confirmed that:

The Pioneer and Guide were two different vessels but were built together (456 & 457) as sister ships. The interchangeable name boards were the location boardsDOVER and HARWICH used when the vessels changed cruising ground but Andy’s research indicates that these boards were only introduced in the 1920’s

No.2 The Guide:

1891 Built for the Dungeness station,

1914 replaced by Patrol and sold to J E Bernier of Levis Lauzon,Quebec.

1923 Sold to Cie Navigation de la Baie de Bras d’ Or.

1926 Sold toNorthShoreTrading Co. of Quebec.

1926 Sunk in St Lawrence.

3 Responses to “Pilot Cutters identified”

January 3rd, 2009 at 03:57

I was a boy on the Trinity House PV Prudence in 1945 based at Gravesend and on staion for three weeks at Dungeness and Harwich, coaling at Dover ten days into our tour of duty. There were four such vessels. Prudence, Pioneer, Pathfinder and one other with a name beginning with “P” that I cannot recall. They were sisters along with one of a different design, the PV Lionheart. Any information on these vessels would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Eric

 
September 16th, 2009 at 22:02

During WW2 my father served as commanding officer of HMS Prudence which had been commandeered by the Royal Naval for wartime use from Trinity House. The ship operated as a calibration ship for ships fitted with HFDF (an early form of Radar) plying between Scapa Flow and Londonderry. The other Trinity House vessel with the name beginning with “P” was Patricia.
The latest vessel of Trinity House bears this name.
Hope this is of help. Can provide much more info about HMS Prudence if required. I, too have a naval backgroud, and logging on to “Bob Hill HMS Scorpion” in Google will provide the details.

 


Peter Morrison
December 28th, 2009 at 14:51

– My father AJS (Jim) Morrison was a Clyde pilot and I was a boy on the Clyde cutters for short periods in the early 1970’s. I’m sure the photo is of the ‘Gantock’. I particularly remember the very low windscreen, visible behind the seated figure in the photo. I think the accommodation casing in the photo was later replaced with more a stream-lined casing. A new Gantock came into commission in the 1970’s – quite a different style of craft. There are surviving retired pilots of the original Gantock’s era who would be better able than me to fill in the details. The last time I was on the new Gantock was to scatter Dad’s ashes in the Clyde in July 2001, by which time the cutters were stationed at Princess Pier.

 

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